Induced learning system

[wonderme]

I came across a website www.goodmansports.com. They have introduced a glove type device which when worn over wrist stabilizes the wrist angle for a perfect stroke. For tennis there are six devices for different strokes. Can anybody comment on this device or have a experience of using it?

[tennis4you]

If all it does is keep your wrist firm then I would not want to wear it. I think I can train my mind and body to keep the wrist firm. I see it being a hinderence in tennis. I would also fear that those using it might get addicted to it and rely on it for their strokes. I would say anyone could probably do without.

[wonderme]

Yes you are right nobody would like to wear it but they say that it is'nt for playing on the court you just practice with it. It will create instant sensory awareness and muscle memory will be develped. Then you take it off and when you play the actual game the muscle memory will come into action to guide you into the right technique. Any comments?

[tennis4you]

If you can develop instant sensory awareness and muscle memory I honestly believe you could do it without the brace. How do they account for muscle sensory when you have a western grip and the ball is sliced to you and bounces 3" off the ground and it takes a flick of the wrist to generate enough topspin to flick the ball over the net?

I guess in the end, unless you are having SERIOUS problmes keeping your wrist firm and straight (I have met few who have, maybe none) then maybe you could try this out of desperation. But if it is that bad, maybe you need a lighter racquet or need to start hitting the weights.

[mickrob]

Im no expert but your wrist neads to be flexible to play all the different shots
even doing the same shot unless the ball is coming from the same hieght and angle you have to ajust your wrist angle slightly to compensate sounds a waist of time to me

[tennis4you]

[wonderme]

Historically, people always have difficulty in accepting something new. A scientific approach towards a problem is to analyse it thoroughly rather than brushing it off. I contacted the ILS support and put the same situation as described by tennis4u. There answer is copied below.

"The ILS makes the learner instantly aware of the correct point of contact, the soft hands and the proper biomechanics and footwork involved in the making of a stroke. This is done in real time, almost instantly. There is no other learning method which can even come close to approaching this. Of course, the ILS is always there to put the game back in the groove if needed, a life time partner for keeping your game in the zone.

Essentially, the ILS is meant for use in non competitive situations. When used in this way, its effect is immediate and startling. The situation described by tennis4u is highly unlikely to occur, even for a professional player. No slice stays so low unless it has skipped off a tape line or it is a bad bounce. The flick of the wrist is a desperation act when the player is out of position. Most strokes are controlled with a steady wrist, relying more on biomechanical efficiency for power.

Perhaps 5% of all players have correct bio mechanics. Surprisingly, we are finding that these players are really appreciating the benefits of ILS as they are aware of the advantage of good technique. Division 1 University coaches are using ILS with their players. Davis Cup players are smoothing out their techniques to great effect.

It needs to be emphasised that ILS is not a brace, but a device which stabilises the hand and wrist three dimensionally. It then gently interacts with the hand, guiding the learner into the correct technique. There are six devices each custom designed for a particular stroke, which cater to all the strokes including the Western Forehand. Once the correct stroke is learned, the "flick" may be added as and when required."

[tennis4you]

Well...

A couple things come to mind. Seeing that these are your first posts here I am going to go ahead and assume that you came here with the sole intent to advertise this product.

If that is not the case you had little right to send them my comments. I would say that was a step too far.

So I am going to slap this thing on my wrist and be able to have good footwork eh? Will it tie my shoes too?

I have analysed it through the website and these discussed based on my past fo coaching tennis.... (See website address in my signature) Again, I think most people can do without and if they have the ultimate struggle of keeping a wrist firm them maybe they can try it as a last attempt. That is in my post above...

As far as ball staying low, I am not sure how much tennis that person plays, but volleys and slices can stay dang low especially if you are a step late. Unless he/she is playing patty-cake tennis, you will see it a lot in a match. But of coarse maybe this brace makes you faster since your bio-mechanics will be mastered and you will never be struggling to get a ball back again.

[mickrob]

STILL SOUNDS A CRAP PRODUCT TO ME
NOTHING BEATS GOOD COACHING AND HARD WORK
IT ALSO HELPS IF YOU HAVE GOOD TIMING AND SPEED.

[wonderme]

well well well you haven't disappointed me at all I was quite sure that you will bring up the allegation of advertising. I appologize for hurting your feelings since i did not know that comments made on this forum are copy righted and other people dont have a right to discuss them. Anyway this is my last post on this topic. My ego is not hurt when somebody disagrees with my opinion. I try to argue rationally rather than putting allegations. One last word before I go and I hope you don't see any advertisement in it.

Good tennis players try to move their feet and bend their knees so that they are contacting the ball in the same position relative to the body. By stabilising hand and wrist in the Ideal Hitting Position, the learner is induced into bending his knees, staying on his toes and stroking by using the larger muscles of the body. Once these fundamentals are learned, the wrist flexibility may be added as need be. But first the fundamentals have to be right. If the fundamentals are not right and the wrist is used to adjust for every shot, then all control is lost.

[tennis4you]

LOL, can you blame me for bringing it up. And of coarse my words here are not copy righted, but none the less it is a matter of ethics which you seem to have over looked.

So are you saying that if my wrist is already in the right position without the product you are selling (hee) that my game will be awesome! I have seen many players where that is not true.

I am not saying it is a bad product, I just do not feel that many people at all will ever need it. It might be a last resort at best.

That is enough bandwidth wasted on this thread, and waaaay to much advertising done, I am done with this one too.

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